Last Week in the Trenches – 1/27/15

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Last Week in the Trenches

1/27/15

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Group: Science, Theology, History and Philosophy Discussion

 

Why Should I Trust the Bible – Full Seminar

 

The Bible claims to be “God-breathed.” Christians often assume this truth while the watching world asks, “Why Should I Trust the Bible?” In this lesson I attempt to give a cursory answer to that question. This is part of a larger curriculum called “Why Should I Trust the Bible?”

http://youtu.be/KSWN7n4u1C8

 

Questions/Issues/Attacks

  1. Before I watch this, can any of the arguments presented apply to the film Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter?
  2. Before I invest an hour, tell me, do you cite any sources or evidence outside the Bible?
  3. So, the answer to my question was yes. About 20 minutes in, this video starts on historical accuracy and attempts to make the argument that, given some historical accuracy, the supernatural claims are believable. In the same way, Abraham Lincoln was a real person. We have really solid evidence of all kinds of stuff about his life. Not any of the supernatural stuff, of course, just like with the Bible, but we just have to trust that, because the rest of it is so trustworthy. Ergo, Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter was an accurate portrayal.
  4. The nonsense continues. He talks about science, about how we learned to wash our hands in order for them to be physically clean back in the 19th century, the somehow claims that this is the same as ritualistic cleanliness, citing Numbers. The problem is that ritualistic cleanliness is not physical cleanliness. Sprinkling holy water on one’s hands doesn’t purify them in any sense but ritualistically. You need to actually scrub and use a cleansing agent, like soap. Numbers talks only of sprinkling, which is utterly worthless for cleaning. And it just keeps going, being wrong about science, with completely wrongheaded nonsensical claims like “Evolution is contrary to the laws of entropy”, as if earth were a closed system! No, I’m not watching any more of this.
  5. So, can we now list all the reasons the bible cannot and should not be trusted? I bet it’s a longer list.
  6. I’ll answer the question in less than an hour. Ready? You should trust the Bible because it has some nice metaphorical stories and advice for good living. Ta-daaaa! Seriously stop trying to prove it. If you are a Christian, truly, put your faith in God. Not the Bible.
  7. Jason some similarities to historical events do not validate the veracity of all other narratives in the Bible. The Bible is not a single text.
  8. FIrst of all I agree with you that the Bible has some nice stories and some good advice for living. I am curious though if you feel it has more good in it than other texts? Why choose to maintain a christian identity v. some other religious tradition?
  9. And maybe address the stuff in the Bible that we know did *not* happen. For example, we know there was no Exodus, no global flood, no earth standing still for a day, etc.
  10.  Much of the Bible is based on the much older Zoroastrian sacred text; the Avesta. If you trust the Bible, you have also to trust the Avesta. regrettably most Christians never even heard of the Avesta, let alone study it.
  11. Jason is it possible that Jews had simply learned better hygiene, written it down as law and attributed that inspiration to God?
  12. Also Jason do you have any evidence of the virgin birth or resurrection?
  13. Jason Oakes, Why did God protect the Jews to the exclusion of Christians? Heck, if he could protect everyone, why not just do that? That kind of discrimination is certainly not all-loving, is clearly unjust, and is certainly merciful for anyone other than the protected group. All you’re really arguing here is that Judaism, not Christianity, is the one true religion. So, you shouldn’t trust the NT, because doing so apparently lead to the death of millions Christians. Is that really what you want to say here?
  14. Yes, I have looked at the evidence regarding the claim of the global flood. The evidence conclusively disproves the claim. The cultures that have a flood narratives are those that lived near a flood plain or came from earlier cultures that did. Given that flood plains tended to be fertile, this was a sensible place to live. And given that they flood, it makes sense that they would have stories about flood. The fact is that a global flood did not and could not have happened. The fact is that we know why they had flood narratives, and it had nothing to do with any global flood. The evidence from the geological column, the strata as you mentioned, is one of the really obvious ones that completely kills the notion of a global flood. There would be a single layer covering the whole earth testifying to a flood if there were one. It would be ridiculously easy to find everywhere. And yet, we find this layer absolutely nowhere. It’s not a matter of looking harder – geologists would have found it a long time ago if it actually were there, it’s not something that can be missed. The devastation to aquatic life would have been massive as well, wiping out just about all of it, both from the effects of reduced salinization to significant increase to depth/pressure. Again, we would have ample evidence of this happening if it did, and yet, there is no such evidence. Then there’s the fact that the vast majority of insect life would be gone as well, given that Noah apparently didn’t take any onboard. Keep in mind that humanity only goes back so far, and since this is a story that happened to humans who could build boats, you only have some thousands of years since when this could have happened. That’s not enough time to account for the amount of diversity we have today.
  15. Note it is useful for teaching and training in righteousness – not history or science.
  16. also it’s not clear what the author of 2Tim meant when he referred to “scripture.” The only scripture he would’ve had would’ve been maybe the LXX right? Maybe not even that.
  17. Jason Oakes all of that is circumstantial evidence, and all of that is why I join you in believing in the resurrection. Though some days I wonder about it, and that’s ok. The “enemy” witnesses aren’t real, I don’t think, and the shroud of Turin is a fraud. Even if it were real it only proved that someone died. The rest of the evidence is convincing to me and you but it it all circumstantial and speculative at best. Not hard evidence.
  18. 1, you have no evidence your favorite deity rose from the dead. 2, if he fulfilled prophecies why dont the jews agree with you? 3, you keep harping on random chance for no reason 4, there is not eyewitness testimonies for jesus 5, there are no historical testimonies for jesus 6, and many religions have had a ton of impact on society.